Talk:Utopia

Claeys < br> Three distinctions

1. static v dynamic
2. ascetic v abundant
3. egalitarian v hierarchical

Add to this fictional/model/aphoristic utopias designed to illustrate a principle or teach a moral but which are not expected to ever exist, from actual real world utopias which are meant to happen. Map Vs territory.

Plato, the wiser rule by the philosopher king and his theory of the forms

Past utopias and the fall from grace

Past utopias that have receded into myth. The garden of eden, paradise lost and Satan falling from heaven

CF the ascetic lost utopia of Sparta

, the golden age of Greece, Rome, Carthage, Kronos — utopian societies that we have lost and need somehow to find a way back to ... before the library at Alexandria burned, when America was previously great...