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-{{a|cobs|{{cobssnap|Certificate representing certain securities}}}}So I am going to take this one really slowly,. because it's a proper zodiac mindwarp. The [[JC]] came to this to answer the question “Do the CASS 6 rules apply to certificated, physical share certificates, which evidence ownership but do not comprise it” It first I thought the answer was no, then I thought it might be yes, and now I just don’t know. So let’s walk through this slowly.
+{{a|cobs|{{cobssnap|Certificate representing certain securities}}}}So I am going to take this one really slowly,. because it's a proper [[Zodiac Mindwarp]]. The [[JC]] came to this to answer the question “Do the CASS 6 rules apply to certificated, physical [[share certificate]]s, which ''evidences'' ownership of the share in question but does not comprise it?”
+At first I thought the answer was “no”, then I thought it might be “yes”, and now I just don’t know. So let’s walk through this slowly.
 =====“a [[certificate]] or other [[instrument]]”...=====
-Is a share certificate a “certificate”? Well you’d think so — but what of this “or ''other'' instrument”? That implies that the certificate is not just any kind of certificate, but one that amounts to some kind of “instrument”. To this old lag’s ears, instrument means some kind of financial instrument itself, as opposed to a piece of paper talking about a financial instrument. But let’s be cautious, and say our certificate is in scope.
+Is a [[share certificate]] a “certificate”? Well you’d think so — but what of this “or ''other'' [[instrument]]”? That implies not just any old certificate, but one that qualifies also as some kind of “instrument”. Otherwise you wouldn't need that modified “other”. To this old lag’s ears, “[[instrument]]” means some kind of [[financial instrument|''financial'' instrument]] being the thing “[[in rem]]”, in and of itself, as opposed to a piece of paper ''talking about'' a [[financial instrument]].
-=====... which confers contractual or property rights (other than rights consisting of options) =====
-Does a [[share certificate]] of itself confer contractual rights?
+But, safety first: let’s be cautious, and say our non-title conferring [[share certificate]] is in scope. Just in case.
-(a) in respect of any share, debenture, alternative debenture, government and public security or warrant held by a person other than the person on whom the rights are conferred by the certificate or instrument; and
+=====... which confers contractual or property rights (other than rights consisting of [[option]]s) (a) in respect of any share [...] ...=====
+The share certificate does not confer property rights. They is conferred by the register of shareholders. Does a [[share certificate]] of itself confer ''other'' contractual rights with respect to the [[shares]]? What could these rights be, if not options of some kind or another with regard to the share?
+=====... held by a person other than the person on whom the rights are conferred by the certificate or instrument... =====
+; and
 (b) the transfer of which may be effected without requiring the consent of that person;
 but excluding any certificate or other instrument which confers rights in respect of two or more investments issued by different persons or in respect of two or more different government and public securities issued by the same person.