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In the traditional banking world — the one where [[lender]]s are prudent community pillars, obtain only the [[indemnities]] they need and that can be justified before a jury of their peers, and [[borrower]]s understand their place in the world — this is all straightforward: A banker ''ought'' to know how much {{sex|she}} is owed, and how much interest, and how it compounds, and ought not to be subjected to a tedious back-and-forth with a mendacious borrower trying prolong process of paying. That sort of carry-on only benefits one person, as we all know, O dear [[Mediocre lawyer|attorney]].
In the traditional banking world — the one where [[lender]]s are prudent community pillars, obtain only the [[indemnities]] they need and that can be justified before a jury of their peers, and [[borrower]]s understand their place in the world — this is all straightforward: A banker ''ought'' to know how much {{sex|she}} is owed, and how much interest, and how it compounds, and ought not to be subjected to a tedious back-and-forth with a mendacious borrower trying prolong process of paying. That sort of carry-on only benefits one person, as we all know, O dear [[Mediocre lawyer|attorney]].


Thus, you will see that tell-tale [[caveat]]: “in the absence of [[manifest error]]”: where the sum claimed was obvious and not really in dispute; the bank did certify it but a fly got in the typewriter or some such thing and they sent out a certificate containing obviously the wrong number. Well, clearly that’s not conclusive, right?
Thus, you will see that tell-tale [[caveat]]: “in the absence of [[manifest error]]”: where the sum claimed was obvious and not really in dispute; the bank did certify it but a fly got in the typewriter or some such thing and they sent out a certificate containing obviously the wrong number. Well, clearly ''that’s'' not conclusive, right?


But, alas, we do not live in such sensible times. The banking world is populated by idiots. These days [[indemnities]] are thrown around willy-nilly in the capital markets business, to cover all kinds of stupidly indeterminate, inappropriate things. It will not shock an [[Mediocre lawyer|experienced counsel]] to see an {{tag|indemnity}} claimed for “any and all losses, costs, damages, liabilities, disbursements, expenses claims of whatever kind we may experience at any time merely as a function of drawing a breath”.
But, alas, we do not live in such sensible times. The banking world is populated by idiots. These days [[indemnities]] are thrown around willy-nilly in the capital markets business, to cover all kinds of stupidly indeterminate, inappropriate things. It will not shock an [[Mediocre lawyer|experienced counsel]] to see an {{tag|indemnity}} claimed for “any and all losses, costs, damages, liabilities, disbursements, expenses claims of whatever kind we may experience at any time in any [[space-time continuum]], merely as a function of drawing a breath”.


This is outrageous, if only in its silliness, but well paid [[Mediocre lawyer|members of the legal profession]] will defend it to the hilt, which they will try to bury in someone’s back, in the process of pinning a [[certificate of indebtedness]] between their shoulder blades.  
This is outrageous, but well paid [[Mediocre lawyer|members of the legal profession]] will defend it to the hilt, which they will then try to bury in someone’s back, in the process pinning a [[certificate of indebtedness]] between the adjacent shoulder blades.  


Eventually, even those who revere correct principle over grubby pragmatism will feel cowed and will give in. Life is too short.
Eventually, even those who revere correct principle over grubby pragmatism will feel cowed and will give in. Life is too short. ''Have'' your stupid conclusive evidence clause.


But, good luck enforcing that kind of {{tag|indemnity}}. And, really, good luck sticking in a clause saying “In the absence of [[manifest error]], a certificate from the Lender as to any “Loss” will be conclusive evidence of the amount owing” and getting a court to pay it any attention.
But, good luck enforcing it. And, really, good luck sticking in a clause saying “In the absence of [[manifest error]], a certificate from the Lender as to any “Loss” will be conclusive evidence of the amount owing” and getting a tribunal of fact to pay it the blindest bit of attention.


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