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Lord Arbinger, brilliantly, shifted the focus of the debate from the ''law'' — which appeared to offer the poor little old lady no help at all — to the ''facts'', which, he pondered, might not have been fully investigated. “I think the defendant ought to have had the opportunity of taking the opinion of the jury on the question whether in reality the directors had a knowledge of the facts, and therefore that there should be a new trial and not a verdict for the plaintiff.”
Lord Arbinger, brilliantly, shifted the focus of the debate from the ''law'' — which appeared to offer the poor little old lady no help at all — to the ''facts'', which, he pondered, might not have been fully investigated. “I think the defendant ought to have had the opportunity of taking the opinion of the jury on the question whether in reality the directors had a knowledge of the facts, and therefore that there should be a new trial and not a verdict for the plaintiff.”


{{quote| the safest role however is, that if the party makes the payment with full knowledge of the facts, although under ignorance of the law, there being no fraud on the other side, he cannot recover it back again. There may also be cases in which, although he might by investigation learn the state of facts more accurately, he declines to do so, and chooses to pay money notwithstanding; in that case there could be no doubt that he is equally bound. Then there is a third case, and the most difficult one, – where the party had once a full knowledge of the facts, but has since forgotten them. I certainly laid down the role too widely to the jury, when I told them that if the directors once knew the facts they must be taken still to know them, and could not recover by saying that they had since forgotten them. I think the knowledge of the facts which disentitles the party from recovering, must mean acknowledge existing in the mind at the time of payment. I have little doubt in this case that the directors had forgotten the fact, otherwise I do not believe they would have brought the action; but as Mr Platt certainly has a right to have that question submitted to the jury, there must be a new trial.}}
{{quote|The safest rule however is, that if the party makes the payment with full knowledge of the facts, although under ignorance of the law, there being no fraud on the other side, he cannot recover it back again. There may also be cases in which, although he might by investigation learn the state of facts more accurately, he declines to do so, and chooses to pay money notwithstanding; in that case there could be no doubt that he is equally bound. Then there is a third case, and the most difficult one, – where the party had once a full knowledge of the facts, but has since forgotten them. I certainly laid down the role too widely to the jury, when I told them that if the directors once knew the facts they must be taken still to know them, and could not recover by saying that they had since forgotten them. I think the knowledge of the facts which disentitles the party from recovering, must mean acknowledge existing in the mind at the time of payment. I have little doubt in this case that the directors had forgotten the fact, otherwise I do not believe they would have brought the action; but as Mr Platt certainly has a right to have that question submitted to the jury, there must be a new trial.}}


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Rule absolute for a new trial.
Rule absolute for a new trial.




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*[http://www.commonlii.org/int/cases/EngR/1841/1087.pdf Judgment transcript]
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