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*Religions promising afterlife paradise for those who have behaved themselves.
*Religions promising afterlife paradise for those who have behaved themselves.
*Effective altruism, which says we are preparing for a utopian for our distant descendants which we will never see ... and which when they get to it, our distant descendants will be preparing for their distant descendants and so on.  
*Effective altruism, which says we are preparing for a utopian for our distant descendants which we will never see ... and which when they get to it, our distant descendants will be preparing for their distant descendants and so on.  
===Nearly utopia===
Visions that almost get to utopia but don't quite, or don't manage the stable equilibrium to last (so all ''past'' utopias)
====Let’s run it and see====
====Let’s run it and see====
Let’s try it out and see how it goes. Generally, badly, as the icy, atmospheric principles collide with the earthy urges of basic self-interest.  
Let’s try it out and see how it goes. Generally, badly, as the icy, atmospheric principles collide with the earthy urges of basic self-interest.  
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converging on a uniform state of bliss is necessarily intolerant because the interest of accelerating towards the state of utopia means suppressing “misguided” opinions that distract from that quest.
converging on a uniform state of bliss is necessarily intolerant because the interest of accelerating towards the state of utopia means suppressing “misguided” opinions that distract from that quest.
 
==='''Any''' convergence/directed progress theory is utopian===
If we are converging on truth then there is a point where we will get there. And our advancing computer power means it is advancing ever more quickly. This is the implications of the singularity. But once we are there then —?
===Examples of utopian visions===
===Examples of utopian visions===
*[[Religion]]s that offer a post-mortem heaven or paradise — call these “dangletopian” programmes.
*[[Religion]]s that offer a post-mortem heaven or paradise — call these “dangletopian” programmes.