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Hand delivery and couriers are mentioned; ordinary post isn’t, which probably rules it out. (But if it’s important, who would use snail mail anyway?)
===Mandatory, or not?===
Section {{isdaprov|12}} specifies a variety of different formats by which a party “[[may]]” deliver notices under the {{isdama}}. Ordinarily “[[may]]” implies discretion and optionality on a party, such that if it wishes it might choose something different. We have waxed lyrical elsewhere about the potential redundancy of such optional clauses.<ref>See: [[I never said you couldn’t]].</ref> However, this is ''not'' how Andrews J saw this ''particular'' “[[may]]” in the idiosyncratic, but unappealed, case of ''[[Greenclose]]''. This “[[may]]” means “[[must]]” and, as long as ''[[Greenclose]]'' remains the unchallenged last word in British jurisprudence, it excludes any other means of delivering a notice. Since hand-delivery and delivery by courier are mentioned but the ordinary post isn’t, this probably rules it out. (But if it’s important, who would use snail mail anyway?)


Note the restriction on forms of notice for closing out: No [[email]], no [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messages]]. But note ''another'' dissonance: in the {{1992ma}}, close-out notification by [[fax]] was expressly forbidden; in the 2002, it is not: only [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messaging systems]] and [[e-mail]] are ''verboten''. Ironic, seeing how [[fax|faxes]] have got on as a fashionable means of communication in the decades since they were sophisticated enough to be a plot McGuffin for a John Grisham novel.
On the other hand it hardly needs to be said that all of the ordinary day-to-day communication under the {{isdama}} between trading and back-office staff of each party — inconsequential matters like trading, payments, settlements, reconciliations, and margin — will happen by telephone and email, in naked disregard for the terms of the {{isdama}} which, at that point, will be languishing languishing unobserved in an electronic document repository to which operations staff might not even have access. This somewhat gives the lie to ''[[Greenclose]]''’s rather quaint apprehensions about how {{isdama}}s operate in practice.
===Close-out notice restrictions===
However curious Andrews J’s reasoning on “[[may]]”, note the overriding restriction on forms of notice for closing out: no [[email]], no [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messages]]. But note ''another'' dissonance: in the {{1992ma}}, close-out notification by [[fax]] was expressly forbidden; in the 2002, it is not: only [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messaging systems]] and [[e-mail]] are ''verboten''. Ironic, seeing how [[fax|faxes]] have got on as a fashionable means of communication in the decades since they were sophisticated enough to be a plot McGuffin for a John Grisham novel.


===“[[Deliver]]”===
===“[[Deliver]]”===
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===[[Email]] vs [[electronic messaging system]]===
===[[Email]] vs [[electronic messaging system]]===
The well-intended and, we think, presumed harmless — even ''modern'' — addition of [[email]] in the {{2002ma}}, ''in addition to'' “[[electronic messaging system]]”, persuaded the [[Chancery Division]] of the High Court to conclude that “[[electronic messaging system]]” and “[[email]]” are mutually exclusive things, rather than a basic commentary on {{icds}} inability to let things go — a conclusion which the [[JC]] finds hard to accept, as you will see if you read the {{casenote|Greenclose|National Westminster Bank plc}} case note.
[[File:Faxpaper.png|250px|thumb|left|A John Grisham McGuffin yesterday. well, in about 1986 actually.]]The well-intended and, we think, presumed harmless — even ''modern'' — addition of [[email]] in the {{2002ma}}, ''in addition to'' “[[electronic messaging system]]”, persuaded the [[Chancery Division]] of the High Court to conclude that “[[electronic messaging system]]” and “[[email]]” are mutually exclusive things, rather than a basic commentary on {{icds}} inability to let things go — a conclusion which the [[JC]] finds hard to accept, as you will see if you read the {{casenote|Greenclose|National Westminster Bank plc}} case note.
 
[[File:Faxpaper.png|250px|thumb|left|A John Grisham McGuffin yesterday. well, in about 1986 actually.]]


===CSA===
===CSA===
Note that the {{csa}} subjects its notice provisions to this provision (see Paragraph {{csaprov|9(c)}} and {{csaprov|11(g)}}.
Note that the {{csa}} subjects its notice provisions to this provision (see Paragraph {{csaprov|9(c)}} and {{csaprov|11(g)}}.