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Hand delivery and couriers are mentioned; ordinary post isn’t, which probably rules it out. (But if it’s important, who would use snail mail anyway?)
===Mandatory, or not?===
 
Section {{isdaprov|12}} specifies a variety of different formats by which a party “[[may]]” deliver notices under the {{isdama}}. Ordinarily “[[may]]” implies discretion and optionality on a party, such that if it wishes it might choose something different. We have waxed lyrical elsewhere about the potential redundancy of such optional clauses.<ref>See: [[I never said you couldn’t]].</ref> However, this is ''not'' how Andrews J saw this ''particular''
Note the restriction on forms of notice for closing out: No [[email]], no [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messages]]. But note ''another'' dissonance: in the {{1992ma}}, close-out notification by [[fax]] was expressly forbidden; in the 2002, it is not: only [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messaging systems]] and [[e-mail]] are ''verboten''. Ironic, seeing how [[fax|faxes]] have got on as a fashionable means of communication in the decades since they were sophisticated enough to be a plot McGuffin for a John Grisham novel.
“[[may]]” in the idiosyncratic, but unappealed, case of ''[[Greenclose]]''. This “[[may]]” means “[[must]]” and, as long as this judgment is unchallenged last word in British jurisprudence, it excludes any other means of serving a notice. Since hand delivery and delivery by courier are mentioned but the ordinary post isn’t, this probably rules it out. (But if it’s important, who would use snail mail anyway?)
===Close-out notice restrictions===
However curious Andrews J’s reasoning on “[[may]]”, note the overriding restriction on forms of notice for closing out: no [[email]], no [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messages]]. But note ''another'' dissonance: in the {{1992ma}}, close-out notification by [[fax]] was expressly forbidden; in the 2002, it is not: only [[Electronic messaging system - ISDA Provision|electronic messaging systems]] and [[e-mail]] are ''verboten''. Ironic, seeing how [[fax|faxes]] have got on as a fashionable means of communication in the decades since they were sophisticated enough to be a plot McGuffin for a John Grisham novel.


===“[[Deliver]]”===
===“[[Deliver]]”===
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===[[Email]] vs [[electronic messaging system]]===
===[[Email]] vs [[electronic messaging system]]===
The well-intended and, we think, presumed harmless — even ''modern'' — addition of [[email]] in the {{2002ma}}, ''in addition to'' “[[electronic messaging system]]”, persuaded the [[Chancery Division]] of the High Court to conclude that “[[electronic messaging system]]” and “[[email]]” are mutually exclusive things, rather than a basic commentary on {{icds}} inability to let things go — a conclusion which the [[JC]] finds hard to accept, as you will see if you read the {{casenote|Greenclose|National Westminster Bank plc}} case note.
[[File:Faxpaper.png|250px|thumb|left|A John Grisham McGuffin yesterday. well, in about 1986 actually.]]The well-intended and, we think, presumed harmless — even ''modern'' — addition of [[email]] in the {{2002ma}}, ''in addition to'' “[[electronic messaging system]]”, persuaded the [[Chancery Division]] of the High Court to conclude that “[[electronic messaging system]]” and “[[email]]” are mutually exclusive things, rather than a basic commentary on {{icds}} inability to let things go — a conclusion which the [[JC]] finds hard to accept, as you will see if you read the {{casenote|Greenclose|National Westminster Bank plc}} case note.
 
[[File:Faxpaper.png|250px|thumb|left|A John Grisham McGuffin yesterday. well, in about 1986 actually.]]


===CSA===
===CSA===
Note that the {{csa}} subjects its notice provisions to this provision (see Paragraph {{csaprov|9(c)}} and {{csaprov|11(g)}}.
Note that the {{csa}} subjects its notice provisions to this provision (see Paragraph {{csaprov|9(c)}} and {{csaprov|11(g)}}.