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{{essay|systems|written advice}}We live in a world increasing comprised of what [[Lorraine Daston]]<ref>{{br|Rules: A Short History of What We Live By}}</ref> would call “thin” rules — specific, formalistic, algorithmic micro-rules designed for literal and measurable compliance. Contrast these with “thick rules”, which are generalised principles requiring comprehension, judgment and balance. “avoid conflicts of interest”. “Treat your customers fairly”.  
{{essay|systems|written advice}}We live in a world increasingly comprised of what [[Lorraine Daston]]<ref>{{br|Rules: A Short History of What We Live By}}</ref> would call “thin” rules — specific, formalistic, algorithmic micro-rules designed for literal and measurable compliance. Contrast these with “thick rules”, which are generalised principles requiring comprehension, judgment and balance. “avoid conflicts of interest”. “Treat your customers fairly”.  


It is part of JC’s ongoing mantra that as we surrender ourselves to the deterministic dogma of scale wherein we can and should be managed by algorithm — where we trust the deterministic predictability of [[algorithm]]s and distrust the ineffable [[metis]], judgment and human experience — not measurably “fair” in the sense of even and predictable — we lose something very important.  
It is part of JC’s ongoing mantra that as we surrender ourselves to the deterministic dogma of scale wherein we can and should be managed by algorithm — where we trust the deterministic predictability of [[algorithm]]s and distrust the ineffable [[metis]], judgment and human experience — not measurably “fair” in the sense of even and predictable — we lose something very important.  
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Anyhow.
Anyhow.


The problem is that ineffable thick principles do not reduce themselves conveniently into thin rules, as our literature never tires of reminding us. This is the essential moral of any story in the “be careful what you wish for” genre: Aladdin and his lamp, the sorcerer ’s apprentice.
The problem is that ineffable thick principles do not reduce themselves conveniently into thin rules, as our literature never tires of reminding us. This is the essential moral of any story in the “be careful what you wish for” genre: Aladdin and his lamp, the sorcerer’s apprentice.


The thing rule will be there, spread between legislation, promulgated regulation, previously decided cases, publicly issued guidance , common law principles, and analogy to the European regulation from which the rule was originally derived, not being especially well translated.  
The thing rule will be there, spread between legislation, promulgated regulation, previously decided cases, publicly issued guidance, common law principles, and analogy to the European regulation from which the rule was originally derived, not being especially well translated.  


Nowhere is more beset with thin rules than financial services. There is some irony that those who make the rules are generally not prepared to say what they mean, so if one wants to know, one must seek the, well metis, of one who holds themselves out as expert and who is, for a fee, prepared to say.  A lawyer. Having a kind solicitor sort all that out and some it up in a memo is a price worth paying!  
Nowhere is more beset with thin rules than financial services. There is some irony that those who make the rules are generally not prepared to say what they mean, so if one wants to know, one must seek the, well metis, of one who holds themselves out as an expert and who is, for a fee, prepared to say.  A lawyer. Having a kind solicitor sort all that out and some it up in a memo is a price worth paying!  


Now, no thoughtful client brings such a question to a lawyer with without also having in mind an preferred answer to it. Something along the lines of “it is fine for me to do/not do this”, depending on the commercial implication.
Now, no thoughtful client brings such a question to a lawyer without also having in mind a preferred answer to it. Something along the lines of “it is fine for me to do/not do this,depending on the commercial implication.


The client may not be realistic in that aspiration. In in-house lawyer may know perfectly well it is a fruitless exercise, but will do it to get her salesperson off her back. (This is a very poor use of legal counsel, but we should not fool ourselves it does not happen). But most of the time there is room for doubt.  
The client may not be realistic in that aspiration. An in-house lawyer may know perfectly well it is a fruitless exercise but will do it to get her salesperson off her back. This is a poor use of legal counsel, but we should not fool ourselves it does not happen. But most of the time there is room for doubt.  


For a good commercial lawyer there are some obvious rules of engagement here but the world is sadly beset with poor commercial lawyers.
For good commercial lawyer, there are obvious rules of engagement here but the world is beset with poor commercial lawyers.


The first is this: ''bear your client’s desired outcome in mind''. If you do not know it, ''ask''.  
The first is this: ''bear your client’s desired outcome in mind''. If you do not know it, ''ask''.  
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“I wish to be able do Y. There is a new regulation X on the topic of Y. Regulation X is ambiguous. It could be interpreted to mean A or B. If it is A, then I can do Y. If it is B, then I cannot. What is your advice about Regul?”}}
“I wish to be able do Y. There is a new regulation X on the topic of Y. Regulation X is ambiguous. It could be interpreted to mean A or B. If it is A, then I can do Y. If it is B, then I cannot. What is your advice about Regul?”}}




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We live in a world increasingly comprised of what Lorraine Daston[1] would call “thin” rules — specific, formalistic, algorithmic micro-rules designed for literal and measurable compliance. Contrast these with “thick rules”, which are generalised principles requiring comprehension, judgment and balance. “avoid conflicts of interest”. “Treat your customers fairly”.

It is part of JC’s ongoing mantra that as we surrender ourselves to the deterministic dogma of scale wherein we can and should be managed by algorithm — where we trust the deterministic predictability of algorithms and distrust the ineffable metis, judgment and human experience — not measurably “fair” in the sense of even and predictable — we lose something very important.

Anyhow.

The problem is that ineffable thick principles do not reduce themselves conveniently into thin rules, as our literature never tires of reminding us. This is the essential moral of any story in the “be careful what you wish for” genre: Aladdin and his lamp, the sorcerer’s apprentice.

The thing rule will be there, spread between legislation, promulgated regulation, previously decided cases, publicly issued guidance, common law principles, and analogy to the European regulation from which the rule was originally derived, not being especially well translated.

Nowhere is more beset with thin rules than financial services. There is some irony that those who make the rules are generally not prepared to say what they mean, so if one wants to know, one must seek the, well metis, of one who holds themselves out as an expert and who is, for a fee, prepared to say. A lawyer. Having a kind solicitor sort all that out and some it up in a memo is a price worth paying!

Now, no thoughtful client brings such a question to a lawyer without also having in mind a preferred answer to it. Something along the lines of “it is fine for me to do/not do this,” depending on the commercial implication.

The client may not be realistic in that aspiration. An in-house lawyer may know perfectly well it is a fruitless exercise but will do it to get her salesperson off her back. This is a poor use of legal counsel, but we should not fool ourselves it does not happen. But most of the time there is room for doubt.

For good commercial lawyer, there are obvious rules of engagement here — but the world is beset with poor commercial lawyers.

The first is this: bear your client’s desired outcome in mind. If you do not know it, ask.

The proposition is usually:

“I wish to be able do Y. There is a new regulation X on the topic of Y. Regulation X is ambiguous. It could be interpreted to mean A or B. If it is A, then I can do Y. If it is B, then I cannot. What is your advice about Regul?”


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