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'''The [[Dealer]]’s lawyer''': Look, dudes you seem to be missing the point. When we hedge, we are [[delta]] neutral. That means if our [[hedge]] pays 50, we pay you 50. So firstly, we can’t rip your face off. | '''The [[Dealer]]’s lawyer''': Look, dudes you seem to be missing the point. When we hedge, we are [[delta]] neutral. That means if our [[hedge]] pays 50, we pay you 50. So firstly, we can’t rip your face off. | ||
*Secondly, we are owe you [[best execution]]<ref>Admittedly this only holds if the [[Dealer]] ''does'' owe best execution, but if it is {{tag|MiFID}}-regulated and you are a [[professional client]], it will.</ref> | *Secondly, we are owe you [[best execution]]<ref>Admittedly this only holds if the [[Dealer]] ''does'' owe best execution, but if it is {{tag|MiFID}}-regulated and you are a [[professional client]], it will.</ref> | ||
*Thirdly, because we delta-one]] hedge, we come up with our {{eqderivprov|Determination Agent}} “determination” by actually selling the right number of shares. It isn’t like we confect some hypothetical valuation based on a model some geek in correlation trading built in [[excel]]. We don't go ask some stooge dealers for a soft estimate, and promise them champagne in the mail. We ''actually sell the stock''. Our own money out the door. We can't get it back. What you are asking is to second guess that | *Thirdly, because we delta-one]] hedge, we come up with our {{eqderivprov|Determination Agent}} “determination” by actually selling the right number of shares. It isn’t like we confect some hypothetical valuation based on a model some geek in correlation trading built in [[excel]]. We don't go ask some stooge dealers for a soft estimate, and promise them champagne in the mail. We ''actually sell the stock''. Our own money out the door. We can't get it back. What you are asking is to second guess that actual transaction by ''you'' being able to appoint some stooge dealer for a soft estimate. | ||
*Fourthly, there are a ton of controls on us already, both contractual and regulatory and economic: | |||
*Contractual: The whole of Section {{eqderivprov|12.8}} is shot through with requirements to act in a [[commercially reasonable manner]], using {{eqderivprov|commercially reasonable procedures}}, going out to leading dealers and so on. |
Revision as of 13:23, 13 April 2017
Should you include a dispute right for determinations made by the calculation agent?
Recognising that “should you?”, and “will you have to”, are different questions, here — if you are doing synthetic equity style business — is how it rolls.
Client’s lawyer: we must have a dispute right so help me.
- The Dealer will be the Calculation Agent. (True.)
- The Dealer will be the Hedging Party. (True.)
- The Dealer will be the Determining Party. (True.)
- Dealers are bad, venal people. They have blackened hearts and will stop at nothing to rip their clients’ faces off. We need some check on their unfettered and sure-to-be outrageously exercised discretion. (A matter of debate and, to be sure, recent history has not looked kindly on the goings on in some dealers, but if that’s your starting point a far better question is “why are you doing business with such a vassal in the first place”?)
The Dealer’s lawyer: Look, dudes you seem to be missing the point. When we hedge, we are delta neutral. That means if our hedge pays 50, we pay you 50. So firstly, we can’t rip your face off.
- Secondly, we are owe you best execution[1]
- Thirdly, because we delta-one]] hedge, we come up with our Determination Agent “determination” by actually selling the right number of shares. It isn’t like we confect some hypothetical valuation based on a model some geek in correlation trading built in excel. We don't go ask some stooge dealers for a soft estimate, and promise them champagne in the mail. We actually sell the stock. Our own money out the door. We can't get it back. What you are asking is to second guess that actual transaction by you being able to appoint some stooge dealer for a soft estimate.
- Fourthly, there are a ton of controls on us already, both contractual and regulatory and economic:
- Contractual: The whole of Section 12.8 is shot through with requirements to act in a commercially reasonable manner, using commercially reasonable procedures, going out to leading dealers and so on.
- ↑ Admittedly this only holds if the Dealer does owe best execution, but if it is MiFID-regulated and you are a professional client, it will.