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}}You may see this sort of clause, especially in a [[custody]] or [[agency]] agreement:
}}You may see this sort of clause, especially in a [[custody]] or [[agency]] agreement:


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Have no truck with this nonsense.
Have no truck with this nonsense.
===Bad advice is not the client’s problem===
No one is stopping the agent getting whatever [[Legal advice|advice]] it wants, ''on its own dime and at its own risk''. It’s a free country. And no one is stopping the agent ''relying'' on whatever advice it gets. That’s an [[agent]]’s prerogative. That it ''did'' get advice may even be (weak) evidence that it diligently discharged its duty and wasn’t, factually, at fault.


No one is stopping you getting whatever [[Legal advice|advice]] you want, ''on your dime''. It’s a free country. And no one is stopping you ''relying'' on whatever advice you get. That’s a [[custodian]]’s prerogative. That you ''did'' get advice may even be (weak) evidence that you discharged your [[duty of care]] and weren’t, factually, [[negligent]].  
But if the advice is ''wrong'' that’s the agent’s problem, not ''yours''. The answer is ''not'' for the agent [[Disclaimer|disclaim]] its liability to you: ''it is for the agent to sue its lawyer''. That’s what it paid the blighters for: so they, and that juicy [[professional indemnity insurance]] policy they never seem to claim on, can cover the agent’s sorry arse if their advice turns out to be wrong and their client — you, kind sir — goes on the warpath.  
===If fails the [[commercial imperative]]===
In any case, agents: think about it from your counterparty’s perspective. If you’ve buggered up, she’s lost money, you will not make her good, and you are letting your own ([[Q.E.D.]] [[negligent]]) [[Law firm|lawyer]]s off the hook. Whatever the documents say you will still have a pissed-off counterparty: make no mistake about that. She will think you are a moron. She may be right. She may withdraw her business. This undermines the [[commercial imperative]]. The [[commercial imperative]] is the main thing keeping you ''in'' business.


''But on your head be it''.
Nor, this way, are you getting good value out of that [[professional indemnity insurance]] you just bought,<ref>You know, by engaging legal counsel.</ref> are you? You are letting the ''actually delinquent party'' – your lawyer – off [[scot-free]] (your counterparty can’t sue your lawyer for (legally [[privilege|privileged]]) advice) and leaving your valued client – who is also, don’t forget, the only ''innocent'' party here – high and dry and without any legal recourse against ''anyone'', while your lawyer laughs it up all the way to the bank. ''A grand an hour charge-out rates, right?''


Folks, it’s like this: if you choose to get [[legal advice]], but it’s wrong, and you rely on it, and you end up [[Breach of contract|breaching your contract]] and in rthe process [[Causation|causing]] your counterparty a [[loss]], the answer is ''not'' to [[Disclaimer|disclaim]] your liability to your counterparty: ''it is to sue your lawyer''. That’s what you pay the blighters for: so they, and that juicy [[professional indemnity insurance]] policy they never seem to claim on, will cover your poor, huddled self if the advice they give you makes a bish of things. By paying your lawyer’s bill you are paying your little portion of her [[Professional indemnity insurance|insurance premium]] for doing you wrong. Why let her off?
To say nothing of the perverse incentives this creates: in any time of [[doubt]] you run to matron for (most likely crappy) legal advice since every [[email]], file note or memo, however misconceived or dunderheaded, functions like a cloak of [[mithril]], protecting you from all pecuniary harm, parking all questions as to your culpability in arranging the advice, such as “was the legal ''advice'' [[negligent]], or were ''you'' [[negligent]], in the way you chose to frame it, implement it, or even understand it?
 
In any case, think about it from your counterparty’s perspective. If you’ve buggered up, she’s lost money, you are refusing to make her good and letting your own ([[Q.E.D.]] [[negligent]]) [[Law firm|lawyer]]s off the hook then:
*''Whatever the documents say you will still have a pissed-off counterparty''. Make no mistake about that. She will think you are a moron. She may withdraw her business. This undermines the [[commercial imperative]]. The [[commercial imperative]] is the main thing keeping you ''in'' business.
*You really aren’t getting good value out of that [[professional indemnity insurance]] you just bought,<ref>You know, by engaging legal counsel.</ref> are you?
*You are letting the actually delinquent party – your lawyer – off [[scot-free]]: your counterparty can’t sue your lawyer for (legally [[privilege|privileged]]) advice it gave ''you'', can it?
*You are therefore leaving your counterparty – who is also, let us not forget, the only ''innocent'' party here – high and dry and without any legal recourse against ''anyone'' and letting your lawyer laugh it all the way to the bank. ''A grand an hour charge-out rates, right?''
 
Furthermore, this incentivises you to get ([[cheapest to deliver]]) legal advice ''all the time'', since every [[email]], file note or memo, however misconceived or dunderheaded, functions like some kind of cloak of [[mithril]], protecting you from all pecuniary harm, at the same time parking all questions as to your culpability in arranging the advice, such as “was the legal ''advice'' [[negligent]], or were ''you'' [[negligent]], in the way you chose to frame it, implement it, or even understand it?


===[[Cui bono]]?===
===[[Cui bono]]?===

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You may see this sort of clause, especially in a custody or agency agreement:

The Agent May Consult with Counsel
The Agent will be entitled to rely on, and may act upon the advice of professional advisers in relation to matters of law, regulation or market practice, and shall not be deemed to have been negligent or in breach of contract with respect to any action taken or omitted pursuant to such advice.

Have no truck with this nonsense.

Bad advice is not the client’s problem

No one is stopping the agent getting whatever advice it wants, on its own dime and at its own risk. It’s a free country. And no one is stopping the agent relying on whatever advice it gets. That’s an agent’s prerogative. That it did get advice may even be (weak) evidence that it diligently discharged its duty and wasn’t, factually, at fault.

But if the advice is wrong that’s the agent’s problem, not yours. The answer is not for the agent disclaim its liability to you: it is for the agent to sue its lawyer. That’s what it paid the blighters for: so they, and that juicy professional indemnity insurance policy they never seem to claim on, can cover the agent’s sorry arse if their advice turns out to be wrong and their client — you, kind sir — goes on the warpath.

If fails the commercial imperative

In any case, agents: think about it from your counterparty’s perspective. If you’ve buggered up, she’s lost money, you will not make her good, and you are letting your own (Q.E.D. negligent) lawyers off the hook. Whatever the documents say you will still have a pissed-off counterparty: make no mistake about that. She will think you are a moron. She may be right. She may withdraw her business. This undermines the commercial imperative. The commercial imperative is the main thing keeping you in business.

Nor, this way, are you getting good value out of that professional indemnity insurance you just bought,[1] are you? You are letting the actually delinquent party – your lawyer – off scot-free (your counterparty can’t sue your lawyer for (legally privileged) advice) and leaving your valued client – who is also, don’t forget, the only innocent party here – high and dry and without any legal recourse against anyone, while your lawyer laughs it up all the way to the bank. A grand an hour charge-out rates, right?

To say nothing of the perverse incentives this creates: in any time of doubt you run to matron for (most likely crappy) legal advice since every email, file note or memo, however misconceived or dunderheaded, functions like a cloak of mithril, protecting you from all pecuniary harm, parking all questions as to your culpability in arranging the advice, such as “was the legal advice negligent, or were you negligent, in the way you chose to frame it, implement it, or even understand it?

Cui bono?

Ask yourself who, principally benefits from this provision? Certainly not the client, and not really you either, since you enforce it on pain of sacrificing the commercial imperative to save your lawyer’s hide. Your lawy — ahhhh, that’s it! That’s who benefits from this nutty clause. Your lawyer!

And whose idea was this nutty clause, in the first place?

Let the record reflect a certain Mr L. Eagle, Esq. stepped forward at this point.

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References

  1. You know, by engaging legal counsel.