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{{a|negotiation|{{image|mithril 2|jpg|A shirt of mithril yesterday. Costs £1,000 per hour. Wearer not identified.}} }}You may see this sort of clause, especially in a [[custody]] or [[agency]] agreement:
[[File:Magic circle.png|450px|thumb|center|A thousand pounds an hour, did you say?]]
}}You may see this sort of clause, especially in a [[custody]] or [[agency]] agreement:


:'''''The Custodian May Consult with Counsel'''''
{{quote|
:''The Custodian will be entitled to rely on, and may act upon the advice of professional advisers in relation to matters of law, regulation or market practice, '''and shall not be [[deemed]] to have been [[negligent]] [[with respect to]] any action taken or [[Act or omission|omitted]] [[pursuant to]] such advice'''.''
'''Agent may seek legal advice'''<br>
The Agent may from time to time seek and rely upon advice from professional advisers ''and will not be liable for any action taken or [[Act or omission|not taken]] in reliance upon that advice''.<ref>The SPIRE version, for completists, is as follows:
{{quote|
The Trustee may act and rely on the opinion, advice of, report, confirmation, certificate or information (collectively, “'''Advice'''”) obtained from, any lawyer, valuer, accountant (including auditors), surveyor, banker, broker, auctioneer or other expert (each an “'''Expert'''”) (provided that, if the Trustee appointed such Expert, the Trustee has exercised [[reasonable]] care in the selection, retention and use of such Expert), irrespective of whether such Advice or (in the case of limb (ii)) any engagement letter (i) is obtained by or addressed to the Issuer, the Trustee or any other person or (ii) contains a monetary limit on liability or limits the scope and/or basis of such Advice. Any such Advice may be sent or obtained by letter, fax or electronic communication ''and the Trustee shall not be liable to anyone for acting in good faith on any Advice purporting to be conveyed by such means even if it contains some error or is not authentic''.}}
“Purporting to be conveyed ...” is a sublime piece of ''[[wieselspielerei]]''.
</ref>}}


Have no truck with this nonsense.
This may strike you as cavalier. But, should you protest, expect to hear the agent’s legal advisers sagely intoning that, yes, this is absolutely standard in the market and non-negotiable, being a simple and effective allocation of risk by a service provider who gets paid a pittance and otherwise does not share in the fruits of the transaction.


No one is stopping you getting whatever [[Legal advice|advice]] you want, ''on your dime''. It’s a free country. And no one is stopping you ''relying'' on whatever advice you get. That’s a [[custodian]]’s prerogative. That you ''did'' get advice may even be (weak) evidence that you discharged your [[duty of care]] and weren’t, factually, [[negligent]].  
Have no truck with this nonsense. ''Especially'' not from [[External counsel|external legal advisors]], who have a raging [[Conflicts of interest|conflict of interest]] in dispensing this sort of “market colour”.
=== Bad advice is not the client’s problem===
No-one is stopping an agent getting whatever [[Legal advice|advice]] it wants, ''on its own dime and at its own risk''. It’s a free country. (Now, we say, “its own dime”: note, though, how common it is for an agent to ask its customer to foot the bill: it gets paid a pittance, does not share in the fruits of the transaction, etc. etc.)


''But on your head be it''.
And nor is anyone stopping the agent ''relying'' on the advice it gets. Again, free country: that’s an [[agent]]’s prerogative. That it ''did'' get advice may even be (weak) evidence that it diligently discharged its contractual duty and wasn’t, factually, at fault. ''Weak'' evidence.  


Folks, it’s like this: If you choose to get [[legal advice]], but it’s wrong, and you rely on it, and you end up [[Breach of contract|breaching your contract]] [[Causation|causing]] your client a [[loss]], the answer is ''not'' to [[Disclaimer|disclaim]] your liability to your client: ''it is to sue your lawyer''. That’s what you pay the blighters for: so they, and that juicy [[professional indemnity insurance]] policy they never seem to claim on, will cover your poor, huddled self if the advice they give you makes a bish of things. By paying your lawyer’s bill you are paying your little portion of her insurance premium for doing you wrong. Why let her off?
But, still, if the advice turns out to be ''wrong'', that should be the agent’s problem, not the customer’s.


In any case, think about it from your client’s perspective. If you bugger up, the client loses money, and there you are not only refusing to make your own client good  but also giving your own ([[Q.E.D.]] negligent) lawyers off their own hook (to you) and then you ask the client to wear it, then:
The answer is ''not'' for the agent [[Disclaimer|disclaim]] its liability to the customer: ''it is for the agent to sue its lawyers''. That’s what it paid the blighters for: so they, and that juicy [[professional indemnity insurance]] policy they never seem to claim on, can cover the agent’s blushes if their advice turns out to be wrong and their client’s customer goes on the warpath.
*''You will still have a pissed-off client''. Make no mistake about that. They will think you are a moron. They may withdraw their business. This undermines the [[commercial imperative]]. The commercial imperative is the main thing in your business.
===If fails the commercial imperative===
*You really aren’t getting good value out of that [[professional indemnity insurance]] you just bought,<ref>You know, by engaging legal counsel.</ref> are you?
In any case, agents: think about it from your customer’s point of view.
*You are letting the actually delinquent party – your lawyer – off [[scot-free]]: your client can hardly sue your lawyer for (legally [[privilege|privileged]]) advice it gave ''you'', can it?<ref>One of the pages and pages of disclaimers and exclusions in their opinion is bound to be third party claims under the [[Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999]], right?</ref>
*You are therefore leaving your beloved client – who is also, let us not forget, the actual, ''innocent'' party – high and dry and without any legal recourse against ''anyone'' and letting your lawyer laugh it all the way to the bank. ''A grand an hour charge-out rates, right?''


Furthermore, this incentivises you to get ([[cheapest to deliver]]) legal advice ''all the time'', since every [[email]], file note or memo, however misconceived or dunder-headed, functions like some kind of cloak of [[mithril]], protecting you from all pecuniary harm, at the same time parking all questions as to your culpability in arranging the advice, such as “was the legal ''advice'' [[negligent]], or were ''you'' [[negligent]], in the way you chose to frame it, implement it, or even understand it?
You buggered up and lost your customer money: if you now let your own ([[Q.E.D.]] [[negligent]]) [[Law firm|lawyer]]s off the hook, you throw your customer under a bus. 


===[[Cui bono]]?===
Your customer will not see the funny side of this. It will not matter that the contract is clear: your customer will rightly say it had little choice: your lawyers yes, they who shall not be sued —hotly insisted it was a market standard. It may withdraw its business. It may well grumble about you to other customers in the watering holes across the square mile.
Ask yourself who, principally benefits from this provision? Certainly not the client, and not really you either, since you enforce it on pain of sacrificing the [[commercial imperative]] to save your lawyer’s hide. Your lawy ahhhh, ''that’s'' it! ''That’s'' who benefits from this nutty clause. Your ''lawyer''!


''And whose idea was this nutty clause, in the first place?''
None of this will be good for your business. It undermines the [[commercial imperative]]: the main thing keeping you ''in'' business. Over the long run — unless your customer happens to be [[Archegos]] — the very worst thing a customer can do to you is ''withdraw its business''.<ref>The exception proves the rule. ''Everyone'' now regrets that [[Archegos]] did not withdraw its business.</ref>
 
=== It defeats the purpose of engaging lawyers ===
Nor, this way, are you getting value for your legal fees. Your customer, who is likely to be paying them, certainly isn’t. There is a view that legal advice is really just legal compliance insurance: to engage lawyers is to buy access to their [[professional indemnity insurance]]. 
 
But here you would let off the ''actually delinquent party'' — your lawyers; your ''servants'', who would have no complaint if you threw the book at them; who said they were the grand-an-hour experts on this stuff, but turned out not to be — [[scot-free]]. They get their premium, ''but you don’t make them write the insurance''. Why on earth would you do that?
 
And if ''you'' won’t sue your lawyer, bear in mind your customer ''can’t'': it has no privity. So the poor customer — who, don’t forget, is the only ''innocent'' party here — winds up paying for advice that gets you off the hook while being left high and dry and without any legal recourse against ''anyone''.
 
Is this prudent business? Is this commercially reasonable behaviour?
 
=== Incentives ===
This is to say nothing of the perverse incentives it creates. If an agent can dissolve all liability, for free, by simply running to matron every time a cloud appears on the horizon then what should we expect its staff to do? Since every legally-penned [[email]], file note or memo functions like a cloak of [[mithril]] however misconceived or dunderheaded it may be, wouldn’t ''you'' do that? Wouldn’t anyone? We should therefore expect an agent’s staff, on these terms, to decline to take a view on ''anything''.
 
But the agent holds itself out as the purveyor of excellence in its chosen field of expertise. Experts are confident enough to take a view: that is what being an expert means. Shouldn’t it be prepared to exercise that skill?
 
===Cui bono?===
Lastly, ask this: who, principally ''benefits'' from such a liability dissolution clause? 
 
Certainly not the customer: it winds up with an ostensibly actionable loss for which it has no recourse. 
 
Nor really the agent, since holding the putative free option incentivises poor behaviour from its staff, while exercising it will damage its client relationships. 
 
But the lawy — ahhhh, ''that’s'' it! ''That’s'' who benefits from this nutty clause. The ''lawyers''! ''And whose idea was this nutty clause, in the first place?''  


Let the record reflect a certain [[Legal eagle|Mr L. Eagle, Esq]]. stepped forward at this point.
Let the record reflect a certain [[Legal eagle|Mr L. Eagle, Esq]]. stepped forward at this point.


{{sa}}
{{sa}}
*[[Allocation of legal fees]]
* [[Allocation of legal fees]]
*[[Agency problem]]
*The [[commercial imperative]]. ''Never'' forget the [[commercial imperative]].
*The [[commercial imperative]]. ''Never'' forget the [[commercial imperative]].
*[[All our other counterparties have agreed this]]
*[[All our other counterparties have agreed this]]
*[[Legal eagle]]
*[[Legal eagle]]
{{ref}}
{{ref}}

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You may see this sort of clause, especially in a custody or agency agreement:

Agent may seek legal advice
The Agent may from time to time seek and rely upon advice from professional advisers and will not be liable for any action taken or not taken in reliance upon that advice.[1]

This may strike you as cavalier. But, should you protest, expect to hear the agent’s legal advisers sagely intoning that, yes, this is absolutely standard in the market and non-negotiable, being a simple and effective allocation of risk by a service provider who gets paid a pittance and otherwise does not share in the fruits of the transaction.

Have no truck with this nonsense. Especially not from external legal advisors, who have a raging conflict of interest in dispensing this sort of “market colour”.

Bad advice is not the client’s problem

No-one is stopping an agent getting whatever advice it wants, on its own dime and at its own risk. It’s a free country. (Now, we say, “its own dime”: note, though, how common it is for an agent to ask its customer to foot the bill: it gets paid a pittance, does not share in the fruits of the transaction, etc. etc.)

And nor is anyone stopping the agent relying on the advice it gets. Again, free country: that’s an agent’s prerogative. That it did get advice may even be (weak) evidence that it diligently discharged its contractual duty and wasn’t, factually, at fault. Weak evidence.

But, still, if the advice turns out to be wrong, that should be the agent’s problem, not the customer’s.

The answer is not for the agent disclaim its liability to the customer: it is for the agent to sue its lawyers. That’s what it paid the blighters for: so they, and that juicy professional indemnity insurance policy they never seem to claim on, can cover the agent’s blushes if their advice turns out to be wrong and their client’s customer goes on the warpath.

If fails the commercial imperative

In any case, agents: think about it from your customer’s point of view.

You buggered up and lost your customer money: if you now let your own (Q.E.D. negligent) lawyers off the hook, you throw your customer under a bus.

Your customer will not see the funny side of this. It will not matter that the contract is clear: your customer will rightly say it had little choice: your lawyers — yes, they who shall not be sued —hotly insisted it was a market standard. It may withdraw its business. It may well grumble about you to other customers in the watering holes across the square mile.

None of this will be good for your business. It undermines the commercial imperative: the main thing keeping you in business. Over the long run — unless your customer happens to be Archegos — the very worst thing a customer can do to you is withdraw its business.[2]

It defeats the purpose of engaging lawyers

Nor, this way, are you getting value for your legal fees. Your customer, who is likely to be paying them, certainly isn’t. There is a view that legal advice is really just legal compliance insurance: to engage lawyers is to buy access to their professional indemnity insurance.

But here you would let off the actually delinquent party — your lawyers; your servants, who would have no complaint if you threw the book at them; who said they were the grand-an-hour experts on this stuff, but turned out not to be — scot-free. They get their premium, but you don’t make them write the insurance. Why on earth would you do that?

And if you won’t sue your lawyer, bear in mind your customer can’t: it has no privity. So the poor customer — who, don’t forget, is the only innocent party here — winds up paying for advice that gets you off the hook while being left high and dry and without any legal recourse against anyone.

Is this prudent business? Is this commercially reasonable behaviour?

Incentives

This is to say nothing of the perverse incentives it creates. If an agent can dissolve all liability, for free, by simply running to matron every time a cloud appears on the horizon then what should we expect its staff to do? Since every legally-penned email, file note or memo functions like a cloak of mithril however misconceived or dunderheaded it may be, wouldn’t you do that? Wouldn’t anyone? We should therefore expect an agent’s staff, on these terms, to decline to take a view on anything.

But the agent holds itself out as the purveyor of excellence in its chosen field of expertise. Experts are confident enough to take a view: that is what being an expert means. Shouldn’t it be prepared to exercise that skill?

Cui bono?

Lastly, ask this: who, principally benefits from such a liability dissolution clause?

Certainly not the customer: it winds up with an ostensibly actionable loss for which it has no recourse.

Nor really the agent, since holding the putative free option incentivises poor behaviour from its staff, while exercising it will damage its client relationships.

But the lawy — ahhhh, that’s it! That’s who benefits from this nutty clause. The lawyers! And whose idea was this nutty clause, in the first place?

Let the record reflect a certain Mr L. Eagle, Esq. stepped forward at this point.

See also

References

  1. The SPIRE version, for completists, is as follows:

    The Trustee may act and rely on the opinion, advice of, report, confirmation, certificate or information (collectively, “Advice”) obtained from, any lawyer, valuer, accountant (including auditors), surveyor, banker, broker, auctioneer or other expert (each an “Expert”) (provided that, if the Trustee appointed such Expert, the Trustee has exercised reasonable care in the selection, retention and use of such Expert), irrespective of whether such Advice or (in the case of limb (ii)) any engagement letter (i) is obtained by or addressed to the Issuer, the Trustee or any other person or (ii) contains a monetary limit on liability or limits the scope and/or basis of such Advice. Any such Advice may be sent or obtained by letter, fax or electronic communication and the Trustee shall not be liable to anyone for acting in good faith on any Advice purporting to be conveyed by such means even if it contains some error or is not authentic.

    “Purporting to be conveyed ...” is a sublime piece of wieselspielerei.

  2. The exception proves the rule. Everyone now regrets that Archegos did not withdraw its business.